I mean, we all kind of expected to a certain extent, but seriously?

Holy S%^TBAGS!

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Wooo yeah we all thought about it but honestly I didn't think they'd dare...

This storyline seriously needs some shaking, I'm already barely watching it anymore, but I'm pretty sure they're even gonna make this new stunt boring !  

Is this next week?  Whoa.  Like Brock said above, not entirely unexpected... but WHOA.  Love, love, love the drama. 

I obviously have to go back to the recaps, because I can’t remember who Brian is. i do assume he is MUCH older than Luke. damn.

A creepy closet case villain, What a surprise? Reinforces every Republican, wing-nut, house wife's worst nightmare and worst stereotype about predatory gay men. He marries a wowan to hide his disgusting sin. Not only that, he marries her so he can be close to a virgin man boy who he can deflower. What are they planning for Luke's first sexual experience, a gay rape?

Thanks again, ATWT, for keeping the dream alive. Who knows, you may soon be the first show to win both a GLAAD award and what ever sick tribute that the AFA hands out, -and for the same story line!

How's that for drama?

..... but I don't think the show is going to go very far with it.  To be honest, I thought they'd never go in this direction and I was shocked when I first heard about it.  I seriously doubt if it's going to be depicted in the dark manner you draw.

At least I hope not.

They really went with the most obvious choice. I could think of a 100 different ways this would go, but didnt think they would go that way.

Is he gay? Maybe hes european?

I dont have a problem with Wheatables making a play for Luke, Im more troubled about having him marry Lucinda and were that could go. I agree with Nukely that no matter how this is handled, people are going to interpret what is on their minds anyway.

Honestly, I dont mind this story to be told, hey it happens, as long as they dont go to scandalous. That may be too much to ask. Well see how that plays.

I’m happy that at last Luke is gonna have sex! Ok, ok, not the ideal scenery, but hey, after a year of gathering lust over Noah I think Luke can easily take anything that moves and is not his family. So go, Brian, go, and make nutty little Luke a little happier, lol.

Well, seriously, I’ve seen that (gay Brian) as a possibility but not as a huge one.

This cannot be... there's GOTTA be some sort of catch to it. Logically it makes no sense and almost goes completely against... wait, nevermind, their storylines don't make sense and go completely against what you would expect to happen already. But this is REALLY pushing the envelope.

So, wait a minute, they're willing to piss off the crazy old grammas and AFA bigots who watch this show with a "gay X-Generation sex scandal" but they won't let two young adult males get it on behind closed doors? What the HELL is going on, I have never been more confused with this show (minus the time a smoking hot dead guy came back from the grave)!

If this was happening 10 years ago, I would argue that it was entirely due to homophobia as most of the characters were not card-boards. These days all the characters are card-boards and my biggest qualm with the show-runners is that they continue to use these popular characters as gay bait and really seem to buy their own PR about how noble they are being for letting these guys appear in their dying show once in a blue moon.

It seems like they've finally decided to model the characters without even the slightest veil as they do all their female/male pairings. Luke (uppity fag)is the "woman" of the relationship and "Noah" gets to be the "man." As such, Luke/Carly/Lily/even Juicy Janet are always doing "bad" things as Noah/Jack/Holden are "good" and love their women only when they act according to standards that these loser men never meet.

While I know that I'll miss Carly and Lucinda, not watching this mess (esp. Luke and Noah) has allowed me to ranting about the state of the entire show. The ratings last week are showing that this show is in serious trouble and part of me would like to see it gone as, unlike other shows, neither its runner or head writer have been shown the door.

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I don't really care about Brian wanted Luke (me too after all, and I'm sure i'm not alone...), but the fact that Luke has been drinking...

If you know the entier Luke'story, you should know, it's a bad idea... and maybe a great storyline. (I can dream...no?) 

TV Guide is promoting this "exciting" "event," which is due to take place Wednesday, Nov. 19.

pass at a younger person? Or do folks just think it's predatory because we're dealing with gay/possibly gay men?

I could see where the general straight audience of ATWT might not want to see Brian kissing Luke (for a whole host of reasons), but it's not like Brian is particularly threatening as a character. 

I don't remember anyone calling Gabby from DH predatory. Yes there is the whole cougar thing but it seems to be constructed as a "confident, sexy older woman" rather than a predator.

Obviously Brian shouldn't have kissed Luke for like a cajillion reasons (they both have partners, Luke is his BOSS, Brian is married to Luke's grandmother)

I don't think the fact that Brian doesn't or hasn't identified as "gay" makes any difference with regard to the kiss, per se.

People make passes at other people all the time, druken, sober, appropriate, inappropriate.

I don't think the kiss in and of itself is such a big deal (or rather, I don't think it SHOULD be such a big deal)

We'd alwasy assumed Brian might be gay given is Crazy Closeted Man behavior so that's not really such a big surprise.

Please Luke is adorable. He's particularly adorable when he's upset.

I'm a Dyke and even I might wanna kiss him if I saw him feeling all sad and unguarded.

What alarms me is THE DRINKING. It makes sense, his life is kinda falling apart at the moment, but I just hope it doesn't get prolonged or the drinking doesn't become the REASON why he and Noah make up.

They have really serious issues. Any couple (gay, straight, old married, teenager lovers) would need to seriously hash stuff out.

Perhaps a weekend spent hiding away and fighting it out at Lily's lovely hotel...

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorthy Parker)

Of course I'm aware that there are stereotypes about predatory gay men and predatory older men, etc.

But I still think sometimes a kiss can just be a kiss. It's 2008, we don't HAVE to participate into the stereotypical way of thinking.

I never read Reg as a "bad gay" he was a sexually active guy who's Boyfriend Tony was a partier (much like Cassie and Kevin and other college aged guys)

Reg is still friend with Luke, he just also happens to think Luke is sexy. Does that make him a predator? I'm not a dude so maybe I'm just not sensitive to that particular way of viewing the character.

I see Reg and Tony and Noah and Luke as 4 different gay guys who approach being gay differently but who are all out and comfortable (at this point) with being gay.

There is nothing inherently predatory about someone kissing someone unless there is some kind of molestation involved.

Since the scene hasn't actually happened (and the spoiler says Hung Over, not Drunk) I'm just hoping that it's a lot less skeevy than folks are assuming.

I've definitely been in a situation where a girl (and once a guy) jsut up and kissed me out of the blue (I'm sure many folks here have had this happen at some point) and it didn't feel like, OH MY GOD, I'VE BEEN ASSAULTED.

I didn't return the kiss and I made it clear that I wasn't into it. Done and Done.

Granted it may have been a bigger deal for her/him than me (if they were crushed or something) but it was still just a kiss.

So I'm hoping that maybe this situation with Brian and Luke will be handly well and gently and not be all "DON DON DON, CRAZY CLOSET CASE LUSTFUL BRIAN ATTACKS INNOCENT VIRGINAL LUKE! Film at 11.

Perhaps I'm being naive but it's just a spoiler and we really have no idea how it's going to play out and we've already decided that Brian is a monster preying on poor defenseless Luke and I could see the scene/storyline going in a whole lot of other different directions.

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorthy Parker)

It's doesn't say Luke is "drunk" "passed out" or "vulnerable" so I'm not sure where all that is coming from.

I know we differ on this. I think that Reg and Tony were perfectly normal young gay men. Tony was more into partying and dating around, Reg was more into having a boyfriend and gay activism. I hope the characters continue to pop in from time to time.

As for grandfathers...

I would hardly call Brian Luke's grandfather. He's been married to Lucinda for all of 5 minutes. But please, this is a soap, people willingly sleep with step siblings and step parents and cousins all the time. People swap partners between siblings and mothers and daughters like gum. It would hardly be shocking. Just because the are men and gay doesn't make them immune to the soap opera partner swap madness.

As far as soaps are concerned it's like" What, no actual blood relation? Well then, have at it!"

Since it hasn't happened yet, I have no way of judging whether or not Brian is going to be depicted as or received by viewers as a predator.

I also didn't say that Brian kissing Luke was OKAY, I just say it's not the same as some kind of predatory "assault" and Luke's response doesn't have to be all "Help, Help, Brian Kissed Me".

It could be more like how Noah responded to Ameer's kissing him "Um, wait a minute, hold up, what part of I'm not into you did you not get?!" or "Um, seriously Brian, you need to back that up and explain yourself did you just marry my Grandman Mr. Straight man, WTF?" or some such thing.

I could easily see a scene in my head where Brian kisses Luke, is shocked by his own actions, Luke is shocked by the whole thing but is also sad for Brian because he now understands why Brian has behaved like such a freak monster towards him about gay stuff (even if Brian didn't know himself why).

Whether or not he decides to tell Lucinda. Ahhh, there's the story.

I'm just saying there are many ways the scene could play out and we don't have to assume the story will be "See, middle-aged closeted gay men are just lying plotting evil looking for a place to happen"

I think it could be an interesting sort of story if it's done well.

"Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." (Dorthy Parker)

.... but other spoilers say that Luke does remember what happened.  So there's some confusion about that.

Every storyline in EVERY SOAP OPERA enforces, and reinforces, negative stereotypes and negative messages. Whether they be of straight couples or Nuke. Nobody watches As the World Turns for its strong moral and ethical code, or for its work in breaking down stereotypes. Nobody watches any soap opera for the messages they put across. In all their plots, EVERYONE is made to look bad at one point or another. 

For Luke and Noah to NOT be involved in a storyline that sees them self-destruct, cheat, not listen to advice, AND/OR scheme is treating them differently to other couples on the show. And this is what the show promised to do: to treat them the same as every other couple on the show. This does not, and frankly CANNOT, mean that they are treated in a way akin to real life. Because real life and soap opera can never co-exist.

In my very humble opinion, I don't think the show has a duty to represent this couple in any light they don't desire, or in a light that would take them away from a really JUICY SOAP story. And I CERTAINLY don't think the writers sit down and try to think of ways to convey the gay community in all its glorious stereotypes. This is compelling SOAP storytelling where the lines of morality and ethics are blurred (and odds are the guy who committed the morally dubious act will come out on top). Still, as viewers, we're confronted with some pretty strong arguments for and against. It's just fun, far-fetched storytelling.

ALSO, one last thing. As the two gay men in the show, Noah and Luke are COMPLETELY different from each other. And NEITHER fits into any stereotype of the homosexual man. The same goes for Reg and Tony.