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ATWT - Mid-Show Bumper Includes Luke/Noah

The show has finally updated their mid-show bumpers and for the first time Van and Jake are featured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_z1pFfzQBQ

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springintoaction's picture

I was surprised when I saw them.... Nuke and then Luke alone!!

It's about time as it also makes sense from a marketing perspective. I wish that they'd also go back to having the original music for the opener with all the characters being shown as it would serve as a Pavlovian message to keep me watching.

It was kind of ironic that they introduced a new opening that I assume that they abandoned as the characters highlighted were either no longer with the show/no longer belonging on the same frame/oddly put in the same frame/or missing to begin with. Any clue as to why it was abandoned so quickly?

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Joseph's picture

Arms around each other there, but, still...

...that embrace was more of a pal, comrade-type embrace than a lover's embrace. Nice to see them in the bumper, though.

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springintoaction's picture

Why is someone dissing Joseph? Lame.....

Why is someone giving Joseph's post a hit and run "0"? If anything it deserves a "5" is it's short/balanced/and quite civil.

What is the person objecting to? Do they disagree that it's a pal-like embrace? Do they not want to see the guys in the bumper?

In my view, negative hit and run raters bring zero valued-added.

I agree with you Joseph! The skeptical part of me of course wonders if it's all part of getting smarter about creating an illusion and expectations of more and better material. Either way this has to be better than seeing the gorgeous (albeit tertiary character) Vienna Hyatt during every other bumper for months. The guys have been almost as forgotten as poor Snickers. <------- Hello writers, this rabbit is Katie's best friend....

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Joseph's picture

Just to clarify...

...and so that nobody thinks I'm some kind of childish villain, yes, I zero'd some of Dennis posts MONTHS ago when we had our tiff, only a handful of posts; then I ignored him up until yesterday, when he attacked David and went off on his usual blowhard diatribe, all of which I felt deserved a zero rating.

Honestly, I think the ratings are dangerous, as they can lead to something just like this. Perhaps they should be removed.

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hexenking's picture

Joseph, I'm loathe to

Joseph, I'm loathe to pursue this, but I have to ask:  what about the Kinsey scale clarification could possibly have been offensive to anyone?

And while you might not agree with the other post, there's no way "diatribe" could be accurately attached to it.  It mostly laid out the actual Kinsey findings, explained how I personally would classify someone as a fellow gay, and stated that those definitions are up to the individual.  There's nothing there that remotely approaches a diatribe.

hexenking's picture

Also, I didn't attack David

Also, I didn't attack David in the least, I simply disagreed with him by stating that I didn't think it was scientific to base one's perception of the percentage of gay people in the population on one's personal experience.  David and I did have a classic tussle awhile back, but I've moved on from that as well.  David's a fine writer with a nearly encyclopedic memory of arts of all type, but I disagree with him a lot.  The only time I attacked him was when he urged a fellow poster to commit suicide. 

If you're talking diatribes, several other posters actually DO rise to that standard with some regularity, but you agree with them and so have no issues.  I have difficulty understanding why disagreeing with someone is so offensive to you.

 

RJ's picture

What diatribe?

Dennis generally posts very reasonable (and yes, long-winded - sorry, Dennis), well-thought out responses. Regarding the Kinsey scale topic, I did not see anything resembling a diatribe, unless your definition of the word differs from mine.

Personally, I use the 5 rating if I agree strongly with something but don't have anything extra to add. I have no use for any other rating, especially the zero. If I disagree so strongly with something that a zero is warranted, I prefer to leave an actual reply.

hexenking's picture

Long-winded

Yes, I'm totally aware I'm often long-winded!  I have the same reputation at the office.  I'm trying, but it's a bit like asking Bill Clinton to give short pithy speeches!
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hexenking's picture

That was me

Guillermo  -  That was me leaving the zero for Joseph.  Here's why.  A couple of months ago Joseph and I had a back and forth joust about something.  I left it behind me long ago, but Joseph has been giving me zero votes over and over again since then, even on totally innocuous things.  For example, yesterday David mentioned that the Kinsey scale went from 1 to 6.  I replied and pointed out, in a totally benign way, that the scale actually went from 0 to 6, and that Kinsey had also added a category for asexuality.  It was completely innocuous, and meant to be helpful and give a complete story.  But Joseph gave me a zero.  And as I say, he's been doing that for a couple of months.

At that point I went in and gave Joseph four or five zeros.  Not to "get him back" - I don't play that way - but to hopefully get his attention and cause him to see the other side of what he was doing.

For what it's worth, I think the whole voting system is remarkably dumb, and I rarely vote.  Most posts get a couple of votes, but are probably read by hundreds of people.  A couple of other posters have previously remarked about someone "having it in" for them, and giving them constant low votes.  I've observed that myself.

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If anyone is having problems with the rating system being

abused, please bring it to my attention and I'll handle it. Just so we're clear, giving posts a zero simply to get back at someone you disagreed with in another thread is abusing the system and won't be tolerated.
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hexenking's picture

I don't want to raise a

I don't want to raise a stink or give any names, but the system does tend to lend itself to abuses of various kinds.  There's another member who has given me consistent zeros and ones because my writing style offends him (he's admirably straight up about that), another gives me ones for almost anything I say about ATWT because I've been more positive about it than some.  Most pro-ATWT posters routinely get zeros for anything positive, no matter how well reasoned or thoughtful.  In my opinion, a post should get something other than a zero or one simply because it's well considered, even if I don't agree with it at all.  But the overwhelming majority of votes are five at the one end or zero or one at the other end.  My ego is strong enough to not feel abused by low votes, but the mentality behind some of the voting patterns is troubling. 
rschlem's picture

Star System

I don't come here to win anything. That's why I found the rating system strange at first. I mean, I've never seen something like that on a forum before. After seeing it in action, I hope that AfterElton keeps it forever. There are no consequences to being rated, other than being reminded of how anyone feels about what you have to say. Alot of people don't like what I have to say. I knew that before coming here. I am opinionated. And caustic at times about my opinions. I am not proud of behaving causticly. But I know that my negative ratings are a heads up as well as an acknowledgment. As someone who's opinions rarely run in the middle of the road, I expect folks to disagree. One way to show that is to leave a low star rating. I welcome that!

For myself, I don't like to leave a donut without explaining why. But I accept that others simply want to "vote." there is nothing "worng" in that. (I prefer to hear why you disagree; I perfer to see you give 5 stars to someone who disagrees with me) And because you aren't evicted on the basis of your ratings (or are you?) It isn't the stoning that some want to imagine. It's more like a water ballooning. (how gay is that?)

But for folks who come here to "win" an argument, or what ever, the star system has to be upsetting. There is little control over how or who votes against your style, opinion or your very essence. I find that incredibly refreshing. But when people use that to badger or belittle, it's unkind and I believe that Michael is more than capable to deal with that. Let's just hope he never has to. I mean, can we police ourselves first? Right?
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Janet's picture

Yeah, heh...

...I think we met by me lobbing a water balloon at your head....

I kind of like the rating system because it lets me see where all the discussion and probable controversy is at a glance. When I'm in a rush, those are the ones I read. And also, I have my buds that I can always count on getting 5 from. You know who you are and I appreciate it!!

(Nukely...you are opinionated but not nearly so crabby as you pretend to be!)

 

 

 

I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

rschlem's picture

water balloon

I don't remember who launched the first water balloon, so to speak. But it has been a wonderful wash and I have AfterElton to thank for meeting a beautiful woman, however that came about.

So, Michael, if you see your duty as uniting folks in the community, you've done me a favor. Thank you..

 

hexenking's picture

Wonderful Woman

Nukely  -  You and I often don't agree about things, but we do agree about Janet!!!
Knickie's picture

I was standing in the

I was standing in the checkout line yesterday and -- gasp! -- I picked up Soap Opera Digest (see what AE is doing to me?). I flipped through and saw a readers' poll about Favorite Actor, Couple, etc. Surprise! Van Hansis was favorite Actor on ATWT and Nuke Favorite Couple. So... why are they barely on this show? Don't the producers give a toss about the viewers? That seems stupid, but then so much of what I see on TV is stupid.
GaySpouseDotCom's picture

Tells A Lot About the ATWT Audience

So according to the poll, if Nuke is the favorite couple, we can conclude that either A) the audience is dominated by straight people longing to have their virginity restored, or B) the audience is dominated by straight people in sexless relationships who can really relate to Nuke on that level. :P
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LyleMasaki's picture

Alternately...

it could mean that the ATWT viewers have an easier time relating to a chaste couple than one who goes through a courtship/breakup/love triangle/reconciliation cycle like most of Oakdale's prominent couples.
rschlem's picture

SOD poll

The Soap Opera Digest Poll doesn't count for nothin'. First of all, they allow you to vote as often as you want. Their polls are designed for them to get you interested in their magazine, not to give an accurate reflection of the audience's opinion on a topic. Anyone who thinks otherwise just wants this poll to matter when it doesn't.

You can vote on line as often as your fingers will allow. The poll, like all the others, was widely promoted in the Nuke forums, where they encouraged Nuke fans to sit for hours and vote. Believe me, if the AFA thought this was an important poll, they would have sent recruits to vote the other way. The only thing this tells us is that there are enough Nuke fans willing to sit at a keyboard and vote over and over for Nuke. Hell, that might be true two years after they cancel the show. What does that tell us about the popularity? Absolutely nothing. It only tells us about the tenacity of certain fans

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Knickie's picture

Be that as it may, SOD

Be that as it may, SOD offers the poll and then prints it -- that in itself says something about the popularity of the actors/pairing, since I assume the fans of all the other actors/couples could easily do the same.
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rschlem's picture

SOD poll good advertizing

The SOD poll is great advertising for the Luke and Noah story-line and folks who pick up the mag aren't going to question the voting, they are more likely to see the buzz that surrounds the show. The fact that Nuke fans are tenacious and loyal speaks volumes about having a gay couple on a soap.

SOD is in the market to sell magazines. They have had quite a few polls for Nuke, probably more than any other secondary couple on a soap. But like others have pointed out, they know where the action is. My point is that because the reliability of the poll is questionable, it's not an indicator of how Popular the show or the couple really are

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Maryann1970's picture

I just saw it

I just saw the bumper, its good that theyve updated it, but the ONLY thing wrong with it (for me) is that they arent moving, its just pictures. it would be alot more appealing if it was in the same color tone and they were moving. it just looks off, am I alone?
Janet's picture

Yeah, it would be neater...

...if it showed them moving into the hug. I saw it just now, too, but it sure looked better than on the utube version.

 

 

 

 

I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.

David Ehrenstein's picture

If Nuke is the most popular couple it's because

for all their shortcomings (from our perspective) there's no one like them in soaps, and for longtime soap fans following the evolution of their love story has been genuinely interesting to them. They're probably doing a mental compare/contrast with every twist and turn. Luke, let us not forget, has long been a "Moral Center" in this soap. When he gave Holden a verbal bitch-slapping for stepping out on Gilded Lily with the Quaker Oats Lady it had real dramatic impact. And face it, while we're all breathlessly awaitng the day when Nuke will Do The Deed, to function in a soap they have to relate to other people in other storylines. And that's built right into Luke from, Day One. On a somewhat related matter -- I consider my sexual life to be an exercise in scientific reasearch. It's always been my best line: "You realize of course that I'm doing all this in the name of science. Now take off your pants."
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Insideguy's picture

Whar about Dusty?

If Dusty is returning from the dead what will happen with his supportive relationship with Noah.  Suely they will continue to interact outside the Nuke realtionship.  Then too it has been mentioned that the actor playing the head of Luke's foundation is going to have a gay son.  Surely that will involve some interactions between the three boys.  I can forsee a conflict between Luke and this new foundation president of some sort.  Luke is already very involed in the Holden, Lily, Carly triangle. It is clear then that they are moving towards something. Lets hope the writers use of the potential in the storylines to use Nuke as more than the token semi-fags.

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Dusty from the dead

They seem to be reinventing characters when they bring them back. Hell, they reinvent the ones who haven't even had a chance to die yet. So Dusty From the Dead may not even remember Noah.

Somebody mentioned that the Brian character has a gay son, but we've yet to see past the rumor other than it's a wild speculation of "wouldn't it be cool if." I would hate to see a man come between Nuke even before they cum between each other. If there is a gay son, perhaps he can give Luke and Noah a talk about the gay birds and the bees. Now, that's a foundation I could support.

 

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Anthony D. Langford's picture

A Gayer Bumper?

Someone sent me this version of the bumper and I thought it was funny.  However, I'm not getting the cat reference.  Why a cat?  Is the old chestnut about gay men having cats?  I dunno.  Luke and Noah seem like dog people to me.  But let's hope that poor kitty isn't asleep much longer.

BTW, who is the actor that appears in the bumper where Luke is alone. I know he's on a soap, but I can't place him.

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6d06w_newer-gayer-atwt-bumper_shortfilms
brian's picture

Dude...

That's my cat!

:)

That's Jo Weil from Forbidden Love. I figured that rather than have Luke alone in his second shot, I'd give him someone to play with. 


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