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Adam Lambert Tweets Response to "Out Magazine"Here is Adam Lambert's response to Out Magazine Aaron Hicklin's recent Editor's Letter criticizing Lambert and his management.
Ah, the brevity of Twitter! Submitted by on Tue, 2009-11-17 18:07. |
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An awards show "ain't that deep".
An awards show "ain't that deep". This is, and Adam's dismissive attitude in that first tweet is upsetting to me.
Well...
He's a Singer!
I Agree with Adam...
I don't understand this
TIming of the Interview
Because the Interview was conducted in October and the Editor indicates that he was so angry he HAD to write about it.
He could have written about it at the time that his happened and said everything he said this week and folks would have been able to process it and respond to it when it wasn't conflated with the Out 100 Issue being released and in the same week as the featured interview with Adam and a week before Adam's album drops.
If the Editor's focus was on 19E and RCA, why did he have to wait a month to write a letter to them?
Online magazine editors write editorials on their website every day. There is no reason this editor couldn't have done the same.
The letter from the editor should have been a clearly separate thing from the release of the Out 100 issue and then folks could have responding to it on it's own.
Why, in all this time since the original interview was conducted, did the editor not take the time to find out Adam Lamber's opinion so that he could include that as part of his analysis?
I guess he could have done that
but I still think that it makes more sense to discuss the issues with the photo shoot and interview in the issue in which the photos and interview appear.
Why does he need Adam's opinion? The Editor's letter is usually about the editor's opinions, no?
Seriously?
Well
you and I obviously differ on how critical the letter was of Adam. I think that is was mostly critical of Adam's management. Hicklin is concerned about Adam's management telling them not to make Adam look too gay, among other strange requests, and rightfully so, IMO.
I'm glad that he didn't contact Adam privately after seeing how dismissive Adam is being about this.
Bullshit
Twitter...
I don't like what he said in the first tweet. What is not that deep? Because, really, gay rights, battling homophobia, those are deep. Or does he mean something else?
Twitter is just not the right venue for this. For one thing, the word limit is way too low.
His second post is one I can get behind. I just hope he addresses this in a better forum.
It's too bad...
I agree with you, this
I agree with you, this was not the way to handle an interview and there were faults on both sides. Adam's, though, was because of his, probably, knee-jerk reaction to finding out about the letter. OUT's was pretty egregious as they had a longer time to craft a response to Adam's management's epic FAIL.
This one:
" Adam is not interested in being put on a gay pedestal or look up to as a role model on gay issues. You can't force a person to take that role."
Adam's said that pretty much that in a lot of his interviews. However, no matter what he does say, it doesn't mean that he isn't a role model. I was thinking last night that heroes are the ones who do not intentionally set out to become heroes, but through the way they deal with circumstances, they become one. I think it applies in his case. He may not have set out to be a role model, as he says, he's here to entertain. But he has become a role model for a lot of people. I wish he would just accept that and work with it.
This is not in reply to your post. But I just wanted to add that I like Adam and am still a fan. As I'm not American and I can't buy off of iTunes from where I live, I need to figure out how to get a hold of his album. But my admiration for him doesn't keep me from seeing his faults, one of which is his on-going attitude about keeping things "not deep". Sometimes, things really are just that deep and they need to be discussed.
Role models...
Not yet anyway
I really don't understand why people would want to rush him into frontline activism. If and when he sells a few million albums and is selling out concert tours with regularity, then he'll have a lot more street cred for such a leadership position, should he wish to take it on.
Before winning an Academy Award, was Dustin Lance Black being invited onto tv shows to give his opinion on gay civil rights? How much more influence and clout did he enjoy after winning the Oscar?
DLB
Before winning an Academy Award, was Dustin Lance Black being invited onto tv shows to give his opinion on gay civil rights? How much more influence and clout did he enjoy after winning the Oscar?
Just to be clear about DLB, yes...he was asked on shows prior to winning his Oscar. The second he stepped into a public role as a gay man he was an activist...all the way back to Journey of Jared Price...through On the Bus, Pedro, his involvment with Big Love and right up to Milk.
I just didn't want people to walk away with the impression that DLB is only now becoming a gay activist.
Shana Naomi Krochmal
Shana Naomi Krochmal responds to Adam's tweets:
Twitter can be too short and to the point
Finally creating a profile after many years of reading this site. (Should I praise Adam or blame him. :-)
Thank you, AE, for your approach to this. I have been reading different takes on this at different places and appreciate yours.
Adam is not perfect. However, I don't think his tweets were meant to dismiss the huge and important issue of how gay celebrities -- him included -- are portrayed in the media, but just to take a step back from all this current heated debate around this one issue of this one magazine. "It's not that deep," is his obvious coping mechanism and mantra that allows him to keep perspective.
And the fact is, his album is not even actually in consumers' hands yet. Let him focus on that for a while. If it does well, and he is a bonafide star, then there is a lot more to be gained from pressuring/convincing him to use his image and fame for more political purposes.
Adam is right.
Adam did the right thing
Being so close to the release of his album it’s in his best interest to keep any controversy to the minimum. I don’t think it’s a bad thing that he doesn’t take this type of things too seriously, with all the backlash that he has gotten, and will get in the future, he will need this kind of attitude to survive.
Adam's earlier tweet responding to OUT
Michael, there was another, earlier tweet from Adam that you missed that sets out Adam's thoughts better than just those two you cited:
This link is broken but references this Op-Ed on the Planet Fierce forums.
Since Twitter by its very nature is brief and shallow, Adam instead cited an Op-Ed article that encapsulated much of what he must have been thinking regarding the OUT magazine editorial.
Well if that's the case
then I've lost even more respect for him.
Well, I have yet to see the gay community stand up to unequivocally support Adam Lambert. Time after time I read assertions that they “voted for the other guy,” Michael Musto of the Village Voice being just one of the more vocal homosexuals in the entertainment industry to trumpet that – even tossing the remark into his lead-in to Hicklin’s letter. Blog after blog, comment after comment, I read gay men tear Adam down for his looks, his body type, his choice of clothing and makeup. Not much about the music, I’m afraid. That the most important thing Adam Lambert brings to the table gets swept aside in a debacle to see who can hurl the wittiest and cattiest insults is an egregious and, yes, bigoted, injustice.
Garbage. Pure garbage. Adam didn't sign up to be an advocate for gay rights? Fine. But I didn't sign up to to be an unthinking supporter of every gay person and everything they do. Seriously, Michael Musto saying he voted for the other guy is the jumping off point for a rant about gay people being overy critical of Adam? Seems pretty innocuous to me. Also, I love that she takes issue with the use of the word apartheid, feeling that it's overdramatic, when she calls witty and catty insults an "egregious and yes, bigoted, injustice". OK.... Finally, I am so sick of Adam's fans talking about how all of the horrible gays hate Adam so much and are too critical of him. It's starting to make me uncomfortable because there seems to be a lot of generalization going on there.
Well, I don't know that I
That's the fact.
You illustrate my problem with some of Adam's fans perfectly.
I have no idea what your gender or orientation is, but I have to ask: you do realize that the gay community is made up of individuals with differing opinions and ideals, right? Some gay men might think that Adam is "too gay", and some might think he's not acting gay enough (though that isn't even what this issue is about), but I highly doubt that all of those are the same people. It's possible for some people to dislike or criticize him for one reason and others for different reasons.
I hated this crap even back when I was a fan of Adam. I find it insulting that some of his fans generalize about all gay men because of comments they read on gay sites.
Gene25...
@RJ
I didn't rate your comment. Strange...
over-generalizing? including you, I suppose
I see you're making a sweeping general statement about "Adam's fans" yourself. Just like the so-called gay community isn't some uniform hive-mentality, thinking and behaving in lockstep, neither are those who consider themselves Adam's fans.
The Planet Fierce writer is correct that there are a lot of gay blog entries and comments that criticize Adam's degree of gayness without saying much about his music. I'm sure you've read many because I certainly have. I also know Adam has a lot of supporters in the gay online community, though that doesn't mean they all think in exactly the same way or that they think Adam can do no wrong.
I think her main point is that Adam is a talented openly gay singer at the start of his career. And that is something to be celebrated by all in the gay community, whether you care for his type of music or not. I believe one of the basic tenets of pop cultural sites like AfterElton and AfterEllen is that visibility matters. Not all of us are cut out for political activism but each of us can contribute to the greater cause of equality in our own unique ways. OUT magazine editor Hicklin's not-so-subtle attempt to use Adam to score political points was unfair to Adam, who just wants to sing and be himself. And when you think about it, Adam just being himself is a strong political statement in and of itself.
You're right
I meant to write "some of Adam's fans" as I did in my reply to GENE25.I know that not all of his fans do that.
I really dont care about
I agree and maybe focus on
I agree. Kris Allen is hot!
I agree. Kris Allen is hot! :D
Unnecessary Drama
I think agree with those who have commented that these two parties need to stop indirectly slamming each other and just sit down to straighten things out. They aren't middle schoolers on livejournal, they're professionals dealings with issues relating to their careers.
Just my opinion, I do admit to know little to nothing about Lambert other than what is posted on this site and have learned the hard way that I'm opening up a can of worms if I question too much of what he does. :P
"I paint objects as I think them, not as I see them." - Pablo Picasso
We are our own worst enemies
*Liz's brain explodes*
i really just think stars need to stay closeted....or we, as a community need to start showing some goddamn support. i really hate saying that, but GOD!! i just can't take all this back and forth bitching!!I honestly am trying to figure out what the hell we all supposedly want. equality, respect...?look at this. people left and right getting pissed at OUT, getting pissed at adam, at each other...over once again....the issue of coming out, the issue of being "gay enough" or "too gay"...straight acting, effeminate...I just want Adam to be who he wants to be. if he's bi-curious, gay, or even starts calling himself a freaking lesbian...THEN FINE!!! he's an adult. it's not OUR life. why is that so hard for people to grasp?ok, he's a public figure. CHECK. why is he a public figure aka how does he make his living? SINGING! CHECKunless there is something...a contract or some stupid form that says "I, state your name must share everything under the sun about myself with the public, because i am a public figure and they have the right to know everything about me, including my favorite meals, my love life, my sexuality, and any question that is brought forth to me, no matter how uncomfortable or invading as it may seem..."^ so, unless there is something that says that............i reaaaallllllyyyyyy am pretty sure we can call anyone out, call them names, but in no way.....does that freaking mean we MUST/HAVE to know who they are, etc!as i said in another post, both OUT and adam's handlers acted like idiots..but a lot of us are idiots as well. i constantly feel i need to defend people's lives...people I don't even know...and why? because all this attacking going on.i get so much of the annoyance. the closeted issue, the wanting role models, yadda yadda....but it's going to be soooo hard to find anyone who wants to step up to such a role if we keep up like this.*sigh* i snapped again. sorry. why can't we all just get along? :-(
Kinda hard to show support
i really just think stars need to stay closeted....or we, as a community need to start showing some goddamn support. i really hate saying that, but GOD!! i just can't take all this back and forth bitching!!I honestly am trying to figure out what the hell we all supposedly want. equality, respect...?look at this. people left and right getting pissed at OUT, getting pissed at adam, at each other...over once again....the issue of coming out, the issue of being "gay enough" or "too gay"...straight acting, effeminate...I just want Adam to be who he wants to be. if he's bi-curious, gay, or even starts calling himself a freaking lesbian...THEN FINE!!! he's an adult. it's not OUR life. why is that so hard for people to grasp?ok, he's a public figure. CHECK. why is he a public figure aka how does he make his living? SINGING! CHECKunless there is something...a contract or some stupid form that says "I, state your name must share everything under the sun about myself with the public, because i am a public figure and they have the right to know everything about me, including my favorite meals, my love life, my sexuality, and any question that is brought forth to me, no matter how uncomfortable or invading as it may seem..."^ so, unless there is something that says that............i reaaaallllllyyyyyy am pretty sure we can call anyone out, call them names, but in no way.....does that freaking mean we MUST/HAVE to know who they are, etc!as i said in another post, both OUT and adam's handlers acted like idiots..but a lot of us are idiots as well. i constantly feel i need to defend people's lives...people I don't even know...and why? because all this attacking going on.i get so much of the annoyance. the closeted issue, the wanting role models, yadda yadda....but it's going to be soooo hard to find anyone who wants to step up to such a role if we keep up like this.*sigh* i snapped again. sorry. why can't we all just get along? :-(
Liz, I think it's kinda hard to show support. I can't talk for everyone, but I do react as to how his marketing is set up. It's just to caiter to his female fans. And this just proves it. Why he thought the Details photo shoot was "provocative" is beyond me. What is so provoctive with a man making out with a woman? Granted, he is gay, but then wouldn't it have been more "provocative" if he made out with a guy instead?
This is just another proof that he doesn't want to do anything "too gay". How can I show support to someone like that? Someone who won't do a photo shoot because it's "too gay", when the man himself is gay? Is that a good representation for gay youth? Is that someone we want to represent us? Who so far has said that he refuses to support gay causes, refuses to be a spokesperson for LGBT rights and who (almost) refuses to do a photo shoot because it's "too gay".
I don't know. I just have an issue with Adam and how he is trying to come across just to sell more albums. I would have had much more respect for him if he just stopped care so much about what people might think about his "gayness", and stopped caitering so much to the female fans all the time.
Harvey Milk: You gotta give 'em hope.
I don't think that' what the
I don't think that' what the Details spread was really about.
Wouldn't it be nice to live in world where no one questioned an out gay actor's ability to play a male romantic lead or an out gay singer's ability to perform in a fun and sexually provocative manner? As it is, the glass closet exists because the people who make the decisions in the entertainment industry really don't think it's possible, at least not on as large as scale as straight entertainers. They don't think straight women will respond to an out and proud gay man.
But people like NPH, Cheyenne Jackson and yes, Adam Lambert are on the cusp of proving them wrong. They are our mainstream test cases. And industry execs eyes are being opened up to the fact that other than a nutty minority, women truly aren't deluding themselves that they can actually get into their fave celebrity's pants, and they are perfectly able to follow and support (and no doubt fantasize about, which doesn't hurt anyone) men they find talented or attractive regardless of whether they're straight or gay.
It's kinda big. It's a whole new world. There are lots of people who don't understand how decades of industry execs assuring young gay entertainers that their fans would drop them in a hot minute if they couldn't keep the "fantasy" alive might now be wrong.
And THAT's what the Details article was about. That if Adam and these other guys can succeed, the doors are thrown wide open for the future. Think about how many new role models in TV, the movies, and the music industry that could create for young gay men. The article included several quotes from Adam talking about his boyfriend, about being gay, and how surprised he is at the female attention. That's not straightwashing. And was the photoshoot actually provocative? Maybe not to you, but it was to me. I actually expected him to be posed with a guy in a mag as the next PR step of pushing boundaries. It never occurred to me they'd do a sexy shoot with a chick, since he's gay and totally owns it. It was a surprise, which I think was what they were going for.
But it's not about "catering" to the female fans. It's about going, damn these women like him and they're absolutely fine with his gay. What I do not think they're aware of yet, is that many women think him sexing up another guy is hot. Yep, they're not squicked or anything, in fact they're combing the internet for fanfiction to read about what that would be like. That's happening. To girls and women from students to professionals to housewives.
I dunno, I would think all this is a move in a positive direction. Well, that is if they can succeed. I'm starting to have my doubts about Adam, because it seems like the guy can't win no matter what he does, everyone has a different agenda they want him to follow, and all the dude wants is to SANG.
"This is just another proof
"This is just another proof that he doesn't want to do anything "too gay". How can I show support to someone like that? Someone who won't do a photo shoot because it's "too gay", when the man himself is gay? Is that a good representation for gay youth? Is that someone we want to represent us? Who so far has said that he refuses to support gay causes, refuses to be a spokesperson for LGBT rights and who (almost) refuses to do a photo shoot because it's "too gay"."
Wow! There is so much wrong with this sentence.
It's his career, his dream he is following. And people like you, with your insane demands for him being some kind of political figurehead really miss the big picture. He is so obviously gay, so he'll represent "us" by default anyway. But don't you see that he does it beautifully by just being himself. Having a career (hopefully) and not suppressing his "gay" - and he is really not doing that. Come on...have you seen what he has been doing. (The Details shot was for straight males, not women and illustrated the fantasy, not reality)
But most importantly. He is the best singer I've heard in the last decade. That's why I'll support him by buying his music. It would be such a waste if his fantastic talent was ignored.
Adam hit the nail on the head
Jeez, I love Adam Lambert. (And I voted for the other guy!) His advice is so totally perfect for this situation: "Chill!"
OK, let's see now. On the one hand we have....
marriage voted down in 31 consecutive state elections; a military that kicks out gay soldiers; many states where workers can be fired simply for being gay; kids whose parents throw them into the streets because of their orientation; other kids who can't come out, perhaps to anyone, for reasons like that; and, well, you know all the rest so I don't need to continue.
On the other hand we have....
an entertainer and recording artist, who also happens to be gay, who does a photo shoot for the cover of A GAY MAGAZINE, and who does a candid, open interview for that gay magazine, talking about all sorts of stuff including his new album with the super gay cover photo. But because the publicist tried to tailor the presentation a bit we have to be outraged. we have to rouse the community and the blogosphere to action, we have to have an open letter to the artist, we have to wake Michael Musto to lament this "semi-closety" affront to our tender sensibilities. We even have Mia on this site (sorry Mia, but I have to cite you) saying that Adam is a poor role model for kids and she doesn't want him representing her. Did I mention that Adam was on the cover of a gay magazine (looking rather gay, if you ask me), and giving an open candid interview inside the magazine?
It seems to me that a bit of perspective is in order about now. Or, as Adam advises: "Chill!" This truly isn't that deep, and to raise it to that level seems bizarre.
It bothers me that people seem so often to want to impose a prescribed set of actions and reactions on gay people, especially anyone who has the temerity to venture at all into the public eye. "You must be a role model. You must act this way." They dig out the Universal Gay Handbook and try to hold people to its very narrow rules. What's so endearing about Adam is that he writes his own rules. He does things his own way, and if you don't like it, well, it doesn't matter to him. That alone might be Adam's greatest accomplishment as a role model.